The Fact About Fluoride & What to Do About It with Dr. Griffin Cole

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Katie: Whats up, and welcome to the Wellness Mama podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com. And this episode is all concerning the reality about fluoride, in addition to another dental well being myths and what to do about it. And I’m right here with Dr. Griffin Cole, who obtained his dental diploma from the College of Texas in San Antonio, and he practiced biologic dentistry for 28 years. He’s ozone licensed and obtained his board certification in naturopathic drugs and his diploma in built-in organic dental drugs, in addition to doing his mastership within the Worldwide Academy of Oral Drugs and Toxicology. And he drafted the Academy’s fluoridation brochure and the official scientific assessment on ozone use and root canal remedy. He has a long time of expertise and analysis and relevant data on this subject. And I used to be so excited to have him on as a result of I get questions on fluoride and I do know it’s a controversial subject, however there’s some new assessment of data that has come out not too long ago that he has particular perception on. And I needed to deliver him on to be the voice to actually sort out this subject as a result of I really feel like lots of misinformation about fluoride continues to be floating round and he has such an knowledgeable viewpoint on this. I really like his perspective, how he walks us by means of the chance, any potential precise advantages, and the very severe when to and what to keep away from, in addition to the totally different types of fluoride and what it’s worthwhile to perceive about that, particularly when you’ve got youngsters. So let’s be taught from Dr. Griffin Cole. Dr. Griffin, welcome. Thanks a lot for being right here.

Dr. Cole: Thanks for having me, Katie.

Katie: Effectively, because the viewers would possibly know, I really like researching and understanding extra about oral well being. That was a giant a part of my journey. It’s one thing I spend an inordinate period of time simply researching for enjoyable. And I believe it’s a lacking piece for lots of people that we don’t discuss sufficient about, or we consider it as a complete separate class and separate from the remainder of our well being when it completely isn’t. And we’re going to get to dive tremendous deep on that exact subject in our second episode.

However first I wish to sort out a subject that I get really lots of questions on, and it’s within the realm of somewhat bit controversial, however I really feel crucial, particularly for ladies and particularly for teenagers, for individuals listening who’ve children. So I do know this can be a considerably broad subject, however I’d like to sort of dismantle and work out the reality about fluoride, as a result of that is one thing that folks know of, at the least within the dental house, as one thing that’s claimed to be protecting of our enamel and protected if utilized in our mouth. And so I’d love so that you can begin us off broad out of your perspective as a dentist and stroll us by means of understanding A, what fluoride is, B, why we use it, after which we’ll get into perhaps are there different choices and may we contemplate not?

Dr. Cole: So I believe it’s necessary to distinguish between types of fluoride. Clearly, there’s naturally occurring fluoride or calcium fluoride, and that’s what we’d discover on the earth. Naturally occurring. Sodium fluoride is what they sometimes add to toothpaste. In order that’s extra manufactured in a lab. After which fluorine by itself, after all, is the naturally occurring ingredient, which doesn’t exist like that. It at all times needs to hitch up with one thing.

So if we’re speaking about toothpaste, sodium fluoride, I can let you know this. It’s pointless for good oral well being. There’s no system within the physique that requires fluoride. It’s not a necessary nutrient. Nobody’s going to die from a scarcity of fluoride. You’ll be able to brush your enamel with just about something, Katie. You should use baking soda and water or any dentrophist that you really want. It’s actually nearly getting the plaque off the enamel.

So is there a topical impact from fluoride? After all there’s. There’s a little bit of an antibacterial impact and that’s why it’s promoted in mainstream dentistry. However apart from that, however so is salt water. Salt water, heat salt water has an antibacterial impact. So there’s loads of different choices which might be a lot safer. The third a part of your query I believe was, I don’t keep in mind. I’m sorry.

Katie: Effectively, I really like that you just stated that there’s not like a necessity. We don’t have like a deficiency in fluoride. This isn’t one thing we now have a organic want for. And like I stated, it’s one thing that’s considerably controversial. I additionally love the tip about saltwater as a result of I’ve observed this with children, even after they’re simply within the part of teething or dropping enamel, swishing with saltwater appears to be actually useful for that. And I do know that there’s really lots of sort of cool proof associated to salt and its function within the mouth and in the entire physique, really. However I do know fluoride additionally sort of comes underneath scrutiny due to potential adverse results it might probably have. And from researching this within the notes that you just despatched there, it looks as if there’s really a latest replace to what knowledge we really find out about fluoride and its potential advantages and its potential harms.

Dr. Cole: Yeah, so now we’re speaking about ingested fluoride, proper? Systemic fluoride, fluoride within the water. And yeah, there’s actually a lot has occurred over the previous 10 years. And I’ll be as temporary as I can. There’s been, I believe, near 90 research now, undoubtedly over 80 worldwide research displaying that when pregnant mothers drink fluoridated water as in comparison with mothers who don’t, the infants which might be born to the pregnant mothers that drank fluoridated water have decrease IQs throughout the board and produce other cognitive results and mind impairments like ADD and issues like this.

So in reality, it’s so distinguished and so prevalent and so necessary in what’s happening within the analysis that there was a court docket case that was introduced in opposition to the EPA. It really began as a petition in 2016, the place it was the Fluoride Motion Community, Mothers Towards Fluoridation, and Meals and Water Watch, and a few shoppers as properly, that petitioned the EPA to cease including fluoride to the water as a result of there was loads of science to indicate that it harms our youngsters. The EPA refused, so it went to court docket. And right here we are actually, eight years later, the court docket, the case was lastly summed up again in March. And we’re nonetheless ready to listen to the choose’s ruling. However in case you had been one of many privileged individuals who bought to see the continued court docket case like I did, it was all in favor of us. I imply, the EPA had no protection. They couldn’t as a result of if you confirmed the precise research, which by the way in which, these research that had been picked for the court docket case had been handpicked. There was, as I discussed, over 80 research, however the Nationwide Toxicology Program, which is a part of Well being and Human Companies, so our authorities has a program referred to as the Nationwide Toxicology Program. They checked out all these research and so they bought all the way down to 55 that they felt had low bias and actually good scientific methodology. And of these 55, they bought even tighter to 52 and stated, we’ve bought sufficient proof to indicate that we shouldn’t be including this to our water provide. It’s not useful to the enamel and it does a lot hurt. In order that’s the place we’re proper now. I’m sorry to be so wordy, however there’s quite a bit happening.

Katie: Yeah, and I do know from my very own journey and analysis with that, fluoride’s added to the water in lots of locations, and it’s one of many tougher issues to get out of the water. It’s not going to be eliminated simply by easy over-the-counter filters. And I now have like a complete – we don’t even have fluoride in our water the place I reside, however I’ve a complete home filter and an under-the-sink filter to take away different issues which might be tough to take away. The fascinating factor, I’d love to listen to in case you’re capable of clarify how did we come to start out placing fluoride in our water provide and or utilizing it so generally within the dental world? As a result of from my understanding of it, and proper me if this isn’t proper, however to me, even when it has a possible impact of benefiting the enamel when used topically, to me, placing it within the water provide looks as if equal to consuming Band-Aids when you may have a lower. Like we’re not – it wouldn’t be put in the proper place to start with, however how did it turn out to be so generally put within the water provide?

Dr. Cole: Yeah, you’re spot on with that, Katie. That’s an excellent analogy. Effectively, simply to maintain it as temporary as potential, this was a waste difficulty. And I’m going again to the mid-40s. Alcoa, which was a giant aluminum manufacturing firm, and the phosphate fertilizer trade, has an issue with fluoride as being considered one of their waste merchandise. And it’s so dangerous, Katie, that the EPA, for years, has not allowed it to be dumped in landfills or to be vaporized into the air. So that they require all these firms to put in scrubbing stacks to seize it. It’s that dangerous.

So the query is, if we will’t put it within the floor and we will’t put it within the air, why are we placing it in our water provide? I consider it began off with altruistic strategies, which means there was a few dentists on this nation, most likely probably the most well-known is Dr. Frederick McKay in Colorado Springs manner again in 1901. He observed that his city had these youngsters with these spots on their enamel, but no decay. And so he undertook a 30-year investigation to determine what’s it? What does Colorado Springs have that these different locations don’t? These children are getting decay and mine aren’t. And the reply was excessive quantities of naturally occurring fluoride. Keep in mind, it can have an impact topically, however systemically, if you begin to see these brown spots and every little thing, cosmetically, the enamel are brittle. It’s not good, to not point out we’ve affected the pineal gland. We’ve lowered thyroid exercise. We’ve affected our kidneys. We’ve bought this in our bones. I imply, the listing of systemic issues goes on and on. So I believe it began off with what’s happening, after which manufacturing that was having an issue with a waste product stated, huh, why don’t we use that data to now begin including to the water provide?

Katie: That’s so fascinating. And I’d like to go deeper on the thyroid connection, particularly I’ve a sense that’s going to be related to lots of girls listening. And that was really why I began being attentive to avoiding fluoride within the first place was understanding that it has an analogous bond. It bonds in an analogous locations like iodine or different issues that thyroid does want and might type of restrict the pure manner the thyroid features. However you additionally talked about the pineal gland, and I’d love so that you can elaborate on each of these, as a result of I’d guess some individuals listening haven’t heard the impact it might probably have on these specifically.

Dr. Cole: Effectively, with the thyroid, in case you keep in mind our periodic desk, fluorine is the highest. It’s probably the most highly effective halogen. So it’s going to be iodine to the thyroid all day lengthy. And that’s if you see lots of, I imply, I had tons of sufferers through the years, principally feminine, but in addition male that will have thyroid points. And the very first thing I’d say is, inform me about your fluoride consumption. I’m consuming the faucet water. I’m doing this. And I’d say, cease all of that. In case you can cease ingesting fluoride in all varieties, which is not possible in case you go to eating places otherwise you do something, you eat out or purchase merchandise as a result of they’re now fruit juices and sodas and every little thing else has fluoride in it. However in case you can, to the extent you can, you would possibly see your thyroid exercise return up. In order that’s one factor I’d inform your listeners is take a look at that first.

The pineal gland, after all, is the place we make melatonin and our circadian sleep cycles are regulated and fluoride calcifies that gland time beyond regulation. So it actually shuts down its exercise. So these are the 2 glands and organs that we hear probably the most about. However once more, it impacts your kidney operate. It impacts the mind, as we all know now. It’s a neurotoxin. That is the factor that has lastly made individuals open their eyes, individuals which means mainstream dentistry and people individuals who promote this, just like the CDC, is the truth that youngsters’s brains are being broken from it. So I believe that’s the take-home level that I wish to make.

Katie: Yeah, I imply, that makes, if you discuss concerning the potential impact in utero when pregnant moms are consuming fluoridated water, the impact on youngsters’s brains from IQ to different issues. After which additionally I do know that, understanding of the pineal gland and calcification and the wide-ranging results of that’s simply beginning to actually be understood. To not point out the thyroid factor, which is, I do know, current for a lot of listeners. It looks as if hopefully that makes the case for avoiding fluoride. I do know some individuals nonetheless go for it, at the least in dental situations, as a result of they wish to shield the enamel, which I perceive. But it surely looks as if there are actually accessible a lot doubtlessly simpler choices that don’t carry the identical dangers. So I’d love to listen to what you utilize in dental follow, what you suggest, or every other choices individuals can contemplate past fluoride whereas nonetheless wanting to guard the enamel and hold and preserve wholesome enamel as we become old.

Dr. Cole: Yeah, so there’s plenty of different toothpastes which might be significantly better. There’s ones which might be prebiotic toothpaste. There’s ones which have charcoal. I’m most excited concerning the hydroxyapatite ones, like by Wellnesse, particularly the crystalline type, not the nanoparticles. So hydroxyapatite, it’s a naturally occurring crystalline construction. It’s precisely what’s in our enamel. Once you brush with it, it does incorporate into the enamel, strengthens it. So, and also you get that antibacterial impact as properly. So for me, if I can use a toothpaste that has no fluoride, no sodium lauryl sulfate, or every other toxins that we don’t want. That’s what I’m going to go for all day lengthy. And I believe all people ought to, particularly as a result of they’re reasonably priced too. As I discussed earlier, you possibly can brush with something, actually, to strip the plaque off the enamel. However the hydroxyapatite toothpaste are probably the most thrilling ones, proper?

Katie: Yeah, I assume most individuals have by no means heard a dentist say earlier than, you possibly can brush with something. I believe we, I do know I bought programmed early of like toothpaste seems a sure manner, it comes out of a tube, it tastes a sure manner, has to foam a sure manner. And if we don’t use it twice a day, then our enamel will fall out. Like I undoubtedly had that. After which after I learn the work of Weston A. Worth and others, I used to be like, oh, and there’s additionally an enormous dietary part. As an example, there’s a nutrient part that lots of us don’t perceive.

What about in-office fluoride therapies? As a result of I’ve some pals who don’t use fluoride toothpaste. They filter it out of their water, however they seemingly are satisfied by their dentist twice a yr that their children must have this therapy on their enamel and that the chance is minimal as a result of it’s a short-term publicity.

Dr. Cole: Yeah, I’m closely in opposition to that, strongly in opposition to any sort of fluoride varnish or any fluoride therapies in any respect. It’s very dangerous, Katie. I imply, if a baby is to swallow a few of that, it might probably finally kill them, however it’ll undoubtedly have a really adverse impact fairly rapidly. So no fluoride varnishes, no fluoride therapies. You probably have delicate roots, there are alternatives like ozone remedy, 60 seconds of ozone fuel will do away with that sensitivity. Hydroxyapatite toothpaste, one other good one. There’s a product that every one dentists have referred to as minimal intervention paste. Once more, with out fluoride, it might probably take away sensitivity and cease decay as properly. So we now have iodine, povidone iodide. We’ve got too many choices which might be a lot safer and fairly truthfully, a lot less expensive. So no fluoride in all varieties. If you wish to use your toothpaste, I get that. You don’t want it. Johnny, proper now, you don’t want it. However I perceive if you wish to.

Katie: Oh, I really like that. Yeah. We now have available different choices which might be doubtlessly the identical or simpler with out the draw back. So I really like that you just as a dentist are bringing consciousness to this as a result of I do know usually the recommendation comes from a dentist and individuals are hesitant to go in opposition to that recommendation as a result of it’s coming from an authority place. A number of us clearly didn’t go to dental college and don’t have the deep data. So I really like that you’re doing this deep analysis and bringing this information to the lots.

I additionally know, like I touched on briefly, that there’s a lot extra to oral well being than simply clearly the topical. I believe it’s straightforward within the mouth to consider like enamel are separate from the remainder of the physique or what we placed on them topically is what makes a distinction. And for me, it was mind-blowing to actually analysis and dive into like there’s this entire unbelievable interplay between what’s happening in our physique, between our oral well being, and that’s what we’re going to actually dive into in our subsequent episode. However are you able to give us any high-level ideas that we will use to help the enamel type of from the within out?

Dr. Cole: Yeah. So that you talked about it earlier if you talked about Weston Worth. So weight loss program for me is every little thing. In case you can have a weight loss program that’s predominantly alkaline and you’ll log on and discover what meals are, I imply, principally inexperienced leafy greens, however there’s additionally, you realize, naturally raised meats, animal meats which might be raised organically with none hormones. Consider it or not, these are additionally alkaline. There’s loads of meals. In order that’s the very first thing I at all times say to all people. The primary query I’d ask a affected person can be inform me about your weight loss program. What are you consuming and consuming each day? And that’s primary.

Past that, you realize, so far as caring on your enamel, like I discussed, you need to use something to wipe the plaque off, however bear in mind, you realize, we regularly discuss killing micro organism, good and dangerous and all that. And we’ll get into this, I do know, in additional element later however our microbiome, our oral microbiome is rather like the remainder of our physique’s microbiome. We’re all linked right here. However the one factor that I’d say if I needed to cap this entire factor up with a pleasant little high is that they’ve checked out the entire organs which might be cancerous, which means they’ve achieved autopsies after assays to see what sort of micro organism had infiltrated these organs. And I’m speaking, you title it, the lungs, the liver, the pancreas, kidneys, and oral micro organism was the predominant micro organism in the entire organs, particularly the guts. So we’re, it’s one unit and every little thing begins proper right here. That is the place your digestion begins, every little thing. And I’ll say this as properly, your saliva, your oral pH needs to be alkaline just about your entire day. The one time it could be somewhat bit impartial acid can be very first thing within the morning. After that, Katie, it needs to be alkaline the remainder of the day.

Katie: You additionally talked about ozone. I’d love so that you can clarify the usage of ozone in a dental capability, as a result of I’ve had one other visitor who defined it in different areas of the physique and the way it may be helpful. And only a few dentists, I really feel like, are utilizing ozone at present. I’m hoping that this turns into extra widespread. However how can ozone be used to help the mouth and with out negatively affecting the oral microbiome and within the makes use of that you just use it?

Dr. Cole: Yeah, properly, I can let you know that that quantity is rising. I’m an teacher, and so I’m everywhere in the nation coaching dentists, and it’s rising. There’s much more dentists utilizing it, however you’re proper, not sufficient but. So ozone is O3, as I’m certain your listeners know. It’s been utilized in drugs for properly over 100 years everywhere in the world. This isn’t a brand new therapy. However on this nation the place, you realize, if it’s not one thing you possibly can put in packaging or a tablet type, it’s not one thing that’s lauded by mainstream dentistry or mainstream drugs.

It’s unbelievable. It’s antimicrobial. So it’ll take out every little thing, micro organism, fungi, viruses, parasites, you title it. However such as you talked about, will we wish to kill every little thing? We don’t. So the cool factor about dentistry is it’s focused assault. So if I say I’m engaged on some gum illness points and we bought some deep pockets, we will do some ozone infiltration with water and fuel to kill what’s in these pockets with out affecting essentially the remainder of the entire physique at that time. We will do issues like nasal insufflation the place we do wish to get it by means of the physique. Once more, focused assaults, although, we’re engaged on an infection or irritation on the time.

You should use it for deep cavities. You’ll be able to keep away from root canals on enamel which have very deep cavities the place they’re already proper on high of that pulp, that nerve. And in case you use ozone fuel correctly after which seal up the tooth correctly, you possibly can keep away from root canals. So there’s nothing that we will’t use it for in dentistry. Decay, gum illness, recreating bone, typically in deep pockets within the mouth. Supporting the entire immune system. It’s simply wonderful. The therapies are infinite.

Katie: Which brings up one other query that I’m curious your tackle, which is the widespread use of mouthwash. I’ve definitely, this isn’t one thing I do, however I do know that it’s fairly generally widespread. I do know individuals who use mouthwash day by day, a number of instances per day. What’s your tackle that? And are there options if it’s not preferrred to make use of mouthwash?

Dr. Cole: Yeah, I’m not a fan of mouth rinse both. I imply, I’ve used some previously, and I even carried some through the years. However once more, pointless, Katie. I imply lots of the mouthwashes which might be offered over-the-counter are usually not good. They’ve bought alcohol, they’ve bought fluoride added and issues like that. So clearly, in case you’re going to get one, it’s worthwhile to discover a pure firm that’s selling a pure product. You already know, perhaps one mouth rinse that will be okay is one which accommodates stabilized chlorine dioxide. There’s a few, I’m not going to call them, however there’s a few firms that promote that. That I get. That’s a really robust antibacterial impact, but protected for the physique. So that you’re not attempting once more to kill every little thing directly. But it surely’s pointless. Once more, in case your weight loss program’s clear and also you’re hydrating and also you’re brushing your enamel and flossing twice a day. It’s simply not one thing you want.

Katie: Yeah, it was fascinating to me to listen to some dentists clarify that widespread overuse of mouthwash can really even have an effect on issues like nitric oxide manufacturing due to the issues we’ll go into in our subsequent episode with oral well being and the entire physique. But it surely looks as if based mostly on what you defined earlier, utilizing a extremely harsh alcohol-based mouthwash may kill type of the entire good and dangerous micro organism within the mouth, just like how antibiotics may have an effect on the intestine. So it is smart to decide on different choices. What about one thing extra light like a saltwater rinse if individuals simply wish to really feel cleaner?

Dr. Cole: Yeah, good. I imply, that’s what I’d suggest in case you, particularly in case you’re going by means of a bout, let’s say you went to your dentist or your hygienist and so they stated, oh, you realize, you’re actually heavy on the biofilm at the moment or no matter. It might, you realize, let’s perform a little routine right here this week to get you in good condition. You already know, heat saltwater gargle a few times a day, unbelievable impact on the mouth, so. And that’s adequate. You don’t must do all these. Let’s kill, kill, kill. That’s not what we wish to do. You already know, we each have used the time period good and dangerous micro organism, which I hate to make use of. We simply need our micro organism to be commensal. We would like them to be comfortable. As a result of there’s anaerobes and there’s aerobes, and so they all exist. We simply must sort of hold issues comfortable and in a pleasant equilibrium steadiness.

Katie: Sure, that’s an necessary caveat. And being simply conscious that there’s a microbiome within the mouth and coming from that thought perspective, as a substitute of simply to take away all micro organism, micro organism within the mouth is dangerous. Like having a deeper understanding to know that there’s this unbelievable microbiome working in our favor and the way can we help it versus how can we kill all of the micro organism that exist within the mouth, which is hopefully not even potential, however undoubtedly not preferrred.

Dr. Cole: I believe we’re what, 90% microbes and 10% human cells. So we’re predominantly microbes for certain.

Katie: Superior. Effectively, I really like that we bought to enter the subject of fluoride. Like I stated originally, I do know it’s a controversial one and I do know there are robust opinions on each side, however I felt prefer it was actually necessary to handle, particularly for mothers. And for me, even the story of Wellnesse and why I began making my very own toothpaste years in the past was a pal had, she thought her baby had ingested a complete tube of toothpaste and he’d really simply poured it down the bathroom, thank goodness. However when she referred to as poison management, as a result of there’s a poison management warning on toothpaste, the stuff that they instructed her was completely terrifying. And he or she eliminated all fluoride from her home after that. However I really feel like that is one thing that may be a large toxin that’s current in many homes and accessible to actually younger youngsters. So I really like that you just bought to clarify among the actually necessary risks to concentrate on, in addition to options that may work simply as properly or higher. And I’m very grateful that there are dentists such as you who’re serving to unfold this information and empower mothers particularly, which is the purpose of this podcast. So thanks a lot for the work that you just do and for being right here to sort out a controversial subject at the moment.

Dr. Cole: Thanks for having me. Admire it.

Katie: And thanks, as at all times, for listening. And I hope you’ll be a part of me once more on the following episode of the Wellness Mama podcast.

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